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Gumby's Rant

So…..The Poppy..
I’m not wearing one.  Now before anyone jumps on me for disrespecting our veterans of not having any sense of moral obligation to those who gave their lives for my freedom.  Don’t waste your breathe telling me I’m ungrateful or unpatriotic.
Just  Stop.
I have a huge sense of respect and enormous gratitude for those who went overseas and gave their lives in the front lines and trenches fighting fascism.  Especially those that were drafted.  In fact, because I am an atheist, I likely have a much deeper sense of gratitude to those that died.   As I see it, without an afterlife to go on to, or a new life to be resurected into, these people gave up their very existence.  And because of their sacrifice I get to sit here in this nice comfortable studio and tell you why I wont be wearing the felt flower that symbolizes their death.  
My gratitude is deep, and it is very strong……and it is mine.  It’s my gratitude, not the gratitude of a nation.  Sure the nation is gratefull, but these people died  for my personal freedoms.  For my rights as an individual, not as a subserviant drone that places a red symbol on his lappel so that he can display his alegience to the cause that they died for, at the hands of other people that were fighting for thier cause.

My gratitude, however is different for those that have enlisted since WW2.  For them I have a gratitude that runs parralel to the feelings I have for the guy that’s running the snow plough on the highway in the winter, or the woman that is going into burning houses to bring people out, or the person that is sitting in the back of the ambulance and administering life saving emergency medical services.  These people are professionals, they took these roles as a livelyhood. And they are all working to help others.  Just….most of them aren’t trained to murder other people.
The main reason.
What absolutely stops me from putting on that pin..
The poppy, to me, now also  indicates support for all actions and decisions of my country’s military.  I didn’t agree with joining the fights in Kuwait, in Desert storms,  I was against our involvememnt in the  actions in the middle east after 9/11. I completely loathe any military action that kills civilians either in a wholesale manner or intentionally targeted manner.  
The way the military complex seems to protect those at the top of the chain of command at all cost is very similar in my mind to the systemic problem with the police protecting their own.  The way military culture treats women and anyone that isn’t a straight male soldier.
But yes.

The people that were gathered up and thrown into either world war experienced things that I can not fathom.
Yes I think we should revere and honour those that died serving this country.
But come on.  Lest we forget?  Really?  At the rate this world is going we will never see peace for long enough to forget the horrors of war.  We will continue to grind people to dust under the heels of governments bickering over fake invisible lines and power strugles over who gets to hold power.
So go ahead.  Glorify your military.  
Pin that poppy to the lappel of your coat to honour the dead that gave everything for you, and walk right past that homeless vet, and give him nothing.

Angela's Poem

I tried to find a man
Just like my heavenly father
Someone who was absent
And left no evidence, only stories

I looked for someone
Who teased me with true love
But only gave me heartache
Maybe I didn’t love him enough

I looked for he who was on high
On his pedestal
The one who expected me
To kneel for him

Where was the one who
Blessed others
But left me in the dark?

I looked.
And it turns out
He’s a misogynist asshole
Who gives cancer to kids
If he exists at all 

I’m good without him, 



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Skepticism 101 part 21:

Common Skeptical Topics 4

Chiropractic- http://skepdic.com/chiro.html

·         The basic idea of classical chiropractic is that "subluxations" are the cause of most medical problems.

·         a "subluxation" is a misalignment of the spine that allegedly interferes with nerve signals from the brain.

·         there is no scientific evidence for spinal subluxations and none have ever been observed by medical practitioners

·         On May 25, 2010, The General Chiropractic Council (GCC), a UK-wide statutory body with regulatory powers, issued the following statement:

The chiropractic vertebral subluxation complex is an historical concept but it remains a theoretical model. It is not supported by any clinical research evidence that would allow claims to be made that it is the cause of disease or health concerns.

·         propounded in 1895 by D. D. Palmer (1845-1913), a grocer and magnetic healer from Davenport, Iowa.

·         Palmer was a vitalist who considered intelligent energy to be conveying information among various body part

·         Palmer called this vital energy "innate intelligence" and claimed it was connected to a Universal Intelligence

·         Palmer claimed that he cured a deaf man, Harvey Lillard, who was a janitor by trade, by manipulating his spine.

·         most support for chiropractic comes from testimonials of people who claim to have been helped by manipulation

·         Most of these testimonials have come from people who believe their back pain was alleviated by spinal manipulation. Whether the manipulation is any more effective than a back rub, hot creams, exercise, or time, is questionable.

·         The clinical evidence indicates that a treatment of something like ibuprofen and exercise is just as effective as chiropractic for relieving back pain (Ernst and Singh 2008)

·         there is no scientific evidence that correcting these so-called misalignments by manipulation has anything to do with relief from pain.

·         Chiropractic is touted as safer than drugs or surgery.

·         That of course isn’t true and neck manipulation has often been linked to strokes

·         http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chirostroke.html

·         http://www.chirobase.org/15News/neurol.html

·         Ultimately it would seem that chiropractic is a practice based on pseudoscience which there is good evidence showing that it does no good and can in fact be quite harmful.

·         Combine that with the more extreme chiropractors who try to administer chiropractic adjustment in liu of real treatment for real diseases and it seems that chiropractic is a harmful practice

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