What is an atheist minister? with Gretta Vosper

August 5th, 2016 Episode 51

Hi and welcome to the Brainstorm podcast. This is episode 51 and today is August 5th, 2016. I’m Cory and my panel tonight are Angela, Rene, and Leo, with the always amazing Dave doing sound. We’re here in Roman Empire studios in Regina, Saskatchewan. Tonight’s show is brought to you by Reasonist Ink, atheist, skeptic, and science based apparel. You can find them at ReasonistInk.com. Tonight’s guest is Gretta Vosper the atheist minister of the West Hill United Church. She is also the founder of the Canadian Centre for Progressive Christianity. 

check out Gretta's website by clicking the picture

check out Gretta's website by clicking the picture

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Links from the chat with Gretta

http://www.grettavosper.ca/

http://www.westhill.net/

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Skepticism 101 part 16: Breaking down the logical fallacies 10

·         Circular cause and consequence – where the consequence of the phenomenon is claimed to be its root cause.

The wiki link sends you to correlation does not imply causation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

https://youtu.be/yGwqT8gVq8c

Circular cause and consequence is a specific aspect of the correlation doesn’t equal causation error, where someone actually thinks that a causes b to happen but then b in return causes a to happen. There may be cases of this being true but in many cases it leads to a circle of events that cannot end until one cause no longer has the consequence that causes it.

 

Atheism for Dummies part 15 – Apologetics part 3

Ever get started looking on Wikipedia and find out that you could follow the bread crumbs for a full month if you wanted to get all the details right. As a result, we’re only touching the very surface of any of these apologetics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_apologetics

Defense of miracles


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_apologetics#Defense_of_miracles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle

This page tries to go into detail about what a miracle is and the different views of miracles.

A miracle is an event not explicable by natural or scientific laws.[1] Such an event may be attributed to a supernatural being (a deity), magic, a miracle worker, a saint or a religious leader.

Informally, the word "miracle" is often used to characterize any beneficial event that is statistically unlikely but not contrary to the laws of nature, such as surviving a natural disaster, or simply a "wonderful" occurrence, regardless of likelihood, such as a birth. Other such miracles might be: survival of an illness diagnosed as terminal, escaping a life-threatening situation or 'beating the odds'. Some coincidences may be seen as miracles.

A true miracle would, by definition, be a non-natural phenomenon, leading many rational and scientific thinkers to dismiss them as physically impossible (that is, requiring violation of established laws of physics within their domain of validity) or impossible to confirm by their nature (because all possible physical mechanisms can never be ruled out). The former position is expressed for instance by Thomas Jefferson and the latter by the celebrated philosopher David Hume.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracles_of_Jesus

Hume’s argument against miracles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Miracles

Nothing is esteemed a miracle, if it ever happen in the common course of nature. It is no miracle that a man, seemingly in good health, should die on a sudden: because such a kind of death, though more unusual than any other, has yet been frequently observed to happen. But it is a miracle, that a dead man should come to life; because that has never been observed in any age or country.[6]

 

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Hillary Clinton conspiracies, Jill Stein is anti science, and being skeptical in politics. 

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